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Posted: Wednesday June 7th, 2006 02:04 pm |
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| Luba, though not poor, has to watch her Rubals. She has to make choices about what she can have for enjoyment. Luba chooses things that last and enrich her feminity, Cloths, cosmetics and perfumes. Luba works for Mango, a Spanish designer cloths outfit that did so well in Cheboksary, they began a manufacturing factory in the city. The pics are large and I will place some in the album and Ron can resize one for the post. One thing I noticed about all the clothing shops is, no 2 things alike. The Russian girls will not buy anything off a rack where there is more than one of it. Everything in Mango was one of a kind. The markets are Shopping buildings with open floor space rather than individual rooms for the shops, allthough there are some petitioned off along the walls on each floor. The rest are stalls from cubicle size to areas where the shop is made up of several isles. The competition is fierce for these jobs and your job is always at risk to a younger prettier Hottie. Unfair, but that is the way of it. I saw more women working the road crews than men and also outside maintinence of the buildings and the city is big on flower beds every where, more women doing this then men. Everything from unloading the mulch to breaking the ground and placing the plants. When I arrived, things were bleak after the hard winter. By the time I left, women and some men painting cleanig and planting everywhere and already the blooms were open. The city is very colorful.
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Posted: Wednesday June 7th, 2006 03:50 pm |
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During my initial research into whether or not this "Russian Women" thing was valid or not, I ran across numerous references to the large disparity between the numbers of women to men. It didn't really sink in then. It wasn't until I was back home and reviewing photos when someone asked me why if I was visiting a Russian "girlfriend" did I took pictures with only women in them? It was then that I noticed that in photos taken of street scenes, taken because of the architecture or the large numbers of people did I notice the lack of males. I had taken photos of signs, the way cars were parked, the unique buildings, different restaurants, etc., and in going back over those pictures, I now noticed that most if not all of the people in them were female. Maybe only 1 or 2 males. I remember that while riding Metro, that if it wasn't "rush" hour, most of the riders were female. During "rush" hour there were enough men, that you had to really look at the packed crowds to see that the females still outnumbered the males. I never saw a male post office worker, nor a male shop keeper, nor a male cashier.
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Posted: Wednesday June 7th, 2006 05:00 pm |
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| Hi David, I can not say I saw a disparity of numbers in the streets. Land scape crews, mostly women. Road crews with equipment, men. Street cleaners, women.Scraping, for stucco repair and painting on all the apartment buildings women. I saw very few men doing any menial work, unless it was at a homestead in the villages. and only men using any kind of power equipment. Big Buses, women. Minivans and taxis, Men. The shops that sold appliances, anything from fans up to refridges, were men. All the markets have security, and I only saw 1 woman, in that role. Police, I saw a couple maybe 3 uniformed women in the police headquarters, none in the street. They talked about there being no jobs in Cheboksary, but apartment buildings were going up every where. I bet there are 300 cranes working in a city of about 500,000, but on a job where I would say 100 men should be working I saw 10, and some days nothing was going on at a bunch of jobs. Developers any where do not build living space unless the stats show them being sold. I told everyone there hang on, cause jobs were about to break out, cause you can't buy flats if there are no jobs and somebody plans on selling or leasing a lot of flats. Some jobs had as many as 6 cranes working. Last edited on Wednesday June 7th, 2006 05:01 pm by JPjr
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 12:58 pm |
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| Pics of the village across the river valley, behind our row of apartments Attachment: JPjrchebovillage2fix-99,2k.jpg (Downloaded 17 times)
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 12:59 pm |
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| Looking back from the other side, in the village Attachment: JPjrChebovillage1fix1-98,7k.jpg (Downloaded 14 times)
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 06:16 pm |
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| The Rites of marriage in the Orothodox Tradition. 1. You start at the Church kiosk. Purchase your Marital Icons, Candles and in my case, Orthodox Crucifix. pic 2. Father Nicohlai starts with Prayers and we move up and onto the Marital Cloth. 3. More Prayers and we exchange Rings and pronounce our Vows. 4. Prayers and the Lighting of the Candles. 5. Prayers and the placing of the Crowns. Here it usual that the Bestman and Brides maid hold the crowns over the heads of bride and groom. Father Nicholai turned and instead of calling in the witnesses placed the Crowns on our heads and continued with the Rites. 6. The Witnesses Light a Candle and lead us around the Dias thrice. The Crowns are removed and the Pronouncement is made. Attachment: Marrying Luba Love 344.jpg (Downloaded 75 times)
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 06:18 pm |
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 06:19 pm |
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| 3. Rings exchanged and Vows given Attachment: Marrying Luba Love 350.jpg (Downloaded 75 times)
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 06:21 pm |
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 06:26 pm |
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 06:27 pm |
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 06:29 pm |
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| Husband and Wife It was quite enthralling and the atmosphere was charged. Attachment: Marrying Luba Love 366.jpg (Downloaded 76 times) Last edited on Friday June 9th, 2006 06:31 pm by JPjr
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Posted: Saturday June 10th, 2006 12:35 pm |
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| My other passion, History and it's Museum,s. I managed to tour 3 Museums. Chuvashian Museum Of History and Natural History, Museum of Military History, deals mainly with The Great Patriotic War. The Chapaev, A Chuvashian Hero of the Revolution Museum. This Gentleman led his Cossack Cavalry all over Central Russia, defeating the White Army from 1917 t0 1921. Chapaev has his own big park and rather large museum built right on the grounds of his families cabin. After the Bulgars were pushed to the Danube valley by the Huns prior to 500ad, Some desided to migrate back eastward and settled in a great plain, between mountain ranges, on the west bank of the Volga River where the mighty river makes one of its big westward turns, in the land already known as Chuvashia. It is believed now that the Chuvash people date back to pre Hunnic times, that is around 250 ad. The Bulgars built a kingdom that traded up and down the Volga from the Caspian and beyond to the head waters. The Kingdom turned to Islam around 950 and stood up to the Mongol Invasions from 1223 to 1236, when they were finally broken and the area devastated by the Horde. From that time till Ivan the Terrible invades and conquers the Kazan Khanate in 1585, Chuvashia and most of Russia proper was under domminion of the Golden Horde. Chapaev's bear cape and hat, with his Shaska Attachment: Marrying Luba Love 546.jpg (Downloaded 69 times) Last edited on Saturday June 17th, 2006 02:46 am by ronin1
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Posted: Sunday June 11th, 2006 01:29 am |
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JPjr, Those photos are awesome! 35 years later, I wise that I had been more interested in history, as I find that I can not get enough now. I find all manner of things fascinating, especially now that I see how history has actually affected my family directly. I haven't been to any territories yet, that my ancestors lived in, but that is something that is on the agenda for future travels. Our ideal living situation would involve part it in USA, part time in Russia, and part time, who knows!! 
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Posted: Sunday June 11th, 2006 01:37 am |
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JPjr,
I have a question about your wedding, if you don't mind. How did you go about having it in a church? Is this an Orthodox Church?
We are formulating wedding plans, and Natalia would like to have a very simple ceremony, very similar to what you've shown, but she would like to actually have two ceremonies, one in 'her' church, and and one in 'my' church. So far the Orthodox Priests that I've spoken with aren't willing to join an Orthodox person to a non-Orthodox person.
Did you have any problems with any differences of faith?
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Posted: Sunday June 11th, 2006 02:24 am |
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| I read at RWG way back that an Orthodox wedding was possible between, in our case a Russian Orthodox woman and a man of another denomination of Christianity, if said man was a baptised Christian. That was all that was stipulated. Well I was Baptised in 1977, so I thought I am in. Lenok at Antidate said and others agreed that a wedding in the church was not possible because the priest were not supposed to do so unless the Couple were married thru the Zags office legaly first. When Luba said yes to be my wife, I explained that it would be a longer process for her to come to the USA as My legal wife on a K3 instead of a K1 Fiance. I told her it did not make sense but that everyone here and the other boards agreed. It was important to Luba to have her friends and family involved in a church wedding and Father Nicohlai was a friend and she would tell him the situation and ask him to do the ceromony. She did he did we did. All he required was copies of our passports and the signatures of our witnesses. The fees for the Church and the icons and the candle and the crucifix I needed for the ceromony came to 4800 rubals. The day we met he asked if I was Baptised, I said yes and that was that. Not legal but made her and family happy. Cannot see where we are frauding the visa requirements so that is the plan. Luba did not have an International Passport and of course she needed time to learn what was needed from her, so I would have all the docs in English to file my K1 petition. That is where it stands right now, Luba's passport and the certified translations. We also managed to get her online today with the Laptop I took for her and we talked on Skype PC to PC voice and web cam, for free. Her conection is dial up and slow and Russian, read breaks down or will not connect, during high traffic time, but we talked 2 or 3 times today and it was good and helped her alot. Long story short, all you need is Baptism and a willing priest. Last edited on Sunday June 11th, 2006 02:33 am by JPjr
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Posted: Monday June 12th, 2006 07:50 am |
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JPjr,
My wife says that you are lucky to have gotten a church wedding. Often, they will not marry a couple without the legal docs from Zags. Evidently Luba's family had some pull to get this to happen. It's called working the system... the informal one.
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Posted: Thursday June 15th, 2006 12:57 pm |
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| I have made a mistake with the Hero of the Revolution Kozak's name. It is Chapaev Vasilij Ivanovich. Ron will you please edit the post accordingly? Thanks
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Posted: Thursday June 15th, 2006 11:21 pm |
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| Cossack Cowboy Boots: Luba and I had shopped for everybody and everthing but me. I like knives and swords. Luba says plenty of knives around, but no swords. I says Luba, I have found that no matter where you are there are those that keep the old traditions alive. Luba had already got accustomed to me going up and down every isle in the markets we shopped. Well I had not gone in every nook and cranny of the market where Mango is so I start going up and down the isles. Sure enough I come to a small stall with what do you think. Yes knives and swords. Luba's mouth drops open and I begin to deside whether I should drop the 10,000 rubals for one of the sword I already have in my hand. Well they were real, most places have tourist swords not worth much to a collector of functional swords. They were the traditional Shaskas of the Cossacks, only these were highly ornamental. I failed to get pics of them, for that I am sorry. They had forged and tempered blades and were functionaly sharp. The swords were very well done and worth the money, but I had something else to shop for first, so I did not purchase a blade. They were a little too ornamented for my taste. I had already talked with Luba about my other desire, to have a pair of Black Cossack Boots. We had looked at every shoe stall in 4 markets, all the latest styles, no historic reproductions. Same thing there is always someone keeping those traditons alive.I asked about cobblers or shoe repair places. At first she starts to shake her head no, then sees I am not going to take no for an answer. Then the light goes off over head and she remembers the shoe repair guy next door. We go in the little shop in the back of a market and right on the door it says Radic Smirnov, Shoe Maker, Not shoe repair mind you. Sure enough I meet one of the most talented leather men I have ever met. Sure he fixes shoes, all cobblers do, but Radic was a custom maker first and we struck up a deal and a friendship to boot, pun intended. We spent about 1hr going over what I wanted we drew pics and he did measurements. I had on a pair of good old Texas Cowboy Boots with dogging heels and I says that is what I want. Taller like steppe boots but with dogging heels and pull tabs on the outside, Wellington toe. Radic is excited to have a foreigner of any sort to do custom for, so he says less than 2 wks for 5000 Rubals. Pics to resize and add later, sorry Last edited on Saturday June 17th, 2006 02:02 am by ronin1
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Posted: Friday June 16th, 2006 12:13 am |
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ronin1 wrote: JPjr,
My wife says that you are lucky to have gotten a church wedding. Often, they will not marry a couple without the legal docs from Zags. Evidently Luba's family had some pull to get this to happen. It's called working the system... the informal one.
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Actually it was Luba who had the pull, she and Father Nicholai were long time friends.
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Posted: Friday June 16th, 2006 01:12 am |
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| I just learned how to shrink a pic with paint. Radic was elated that he had a custom job and took this pic to frame and me do a write up in English. Radic on the right, makes a small replica of his work for a display held by His shop assitant. Attachment: Marrying Luba Love 518.jpg (Downloaded 17 times) Last edited on Friday June 16th, 2006 01:18 am by JPjr
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Posted: Friday June 16th, 2006 02:31 am |
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| Ok so far I have not done Love Justice with the casual pics I have posted. Here is my baby. Attachment: luba.jpg (Downloaded 47 times)
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Posted: Thursday July 13th, 2006 09:24 pm |
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