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Posted: Thursday June 1st, 2006 05:44 am |
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I pulled the following article from the internet. It is by a gentleman that has been married twice to RW. I don't completely agree with what he writes (it's a matter of degrees), however it is an interesting premise that he uses to explain why RW are the way they are when it comes to love and affection. Read it with a grain of salt to get the best out of it. As I often say, "Pick your poison."
Link: Do Russian Women Make Good Wives?
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Posted: Friday June 2nd, 2006 09:40 pm |
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Having read the entire article, I have to say that it does not relate in any way to my (albeit limited) experience of RW.
All I can say is that maybe things were like that in the early 1990s, shortly after the fall of the Berlin wall and the disintegration of the Soviet Union, but from my recent meeting with my RGF in Saint-Petersburg, this guy is describing a completely different planet. Everything he says I found to be completely the opposite.
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Posted: Saturday June 3rd, 2006 04:18 am |
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TrevorM,
Good to hear from you and welcome to the RWP.
You are absolutely correct that there is a time factor involved. His experiences is limited and then he makes rather sweeping generalizations that may have been true to some extent over a decade ago and perhaps to a lesser extent today.
One point that comes to mind is about the absence of double beds. In a country where there is a housing shortage and families cram into one apartment, futon like double beds are very pragmatic. As a matter-of-fact these are the only beds I have seen in Russian apartments.
The quality of RW love making is another matter. RW are taught to believe that sex is necessary for good health and well being. As such, a RWife will not deny good health to her husband. Perhaps his RWife is being very pragmatic and honest about it. Perhaps the husband has a sex drive that exceed hers. A true RWife will most likely not fake her emotions. Perhaps this accounts for his "dead horse" characterization of his experiences. As always we are hearing only one side.
In any case, his experiences and conclusions are interesting reading. Is there anything in particular that struck you as being off?
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Posted: Saturday June 3rd, 2006 09:32 am |
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Thanks for the welcome, Ronin.
I can't really comment on the bed arrangements in a normal russian appartment as I only visited by GF's appartment twice very briefly and wasn't shown the bedroom. I had booked a hotel in central Saint-Petersburg for the duration with a double bed and no objections were raised.
Public displays of affection, kisses, thankyous, etc., these were all there in profusion; in fact we seemed to spend the entire four days walking around SPB hand in hand and kissing on the metro. As for the under-the-table antics in the restaurant on our last night together, these are best left to the imagination other than to say I was not the instigator. From this you can surmise that the "dead horse" experience never occurred.
From the above, it sounds like the meeting was one long period of debauchery, but that was not the case; we spent the days sightseing in SPB, and visiting some of my GF's friends. By the end of the break, we both felt as if we were husband and wife on holiday together.
Ronin, if with your greater experience of the russian way of life you can recognise the description given in the article, all I can say is, I guess I have hit solid gold on my first attempt (a WOVO adventure), finding someone mutual compatabile on many different levels.
Phase 2 is about to begin - my GF has obtained a new international passport and with a little difficulty, a six month visa to the UK, so by the end of June she should be here with me for the rest of the summer. I guess this will really be make-or-break time.
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Posted: Saturday June 3rd, 2006 04:10 pm |
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TrevorM,
The linked article is perhaps more relevant toward RW that have experienced most if not all their lives under the thumb of commuist rule. At that time it was said that, "Russia has no sex!" This is obviously a misnomer since Russia's population demographics show that productive activities occur behind closed doors.
I will suggest that suppression of expression perhaps occurs in the intimate arena. Cramped quarters with other family members sleeping in the same room came put a damper on things. If such conditions presist, it can lead to repression I guess. Or perhaps a burning desire to find one's own place to live.
Trevor, your experience reflects mine. I have no basis of fact on older RW, however the young RW of today (~ 30 or less in age) are very flirtaous, sensual and lively. It is hard for me to imagine placing a 'dead horse' label on them as a whole.
Ronin
P.S. Good luck in your pursuit of RW. How you don't mind me asking... how easy is it to obtain these 6 month visa? What is involve?
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Posted: Sunday June 4th, 2006 09:15 pm |
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ronin1 wrote: Trevor, your experience reflects mine. I have no basis of fact on older RW, however the young RW of today (~ 30 or less in age) are very flirtaous, sensual and lively. It is hard for me to imagine placing a 'dead horse' label on them as a whole.
Ronin, I thought that would probably be the answer. However just to throw a spanner in the works, I am 49 and my GF is 45 which means she spent her teens, twenties and thirties under the soviet system.
As for her visa, it's just a six month, multi-entry UK tourist visa. I would think they are fairly easy to get for an organised two week package tour, but for a single woman visiting a friend, the UK consulate staff look at things a lot more closely. Although I provided six months worth of payslips and bank statements, she was still called in for an interview. I think what probably swung it, was her age (obviously not a 25 year old GCG) and the fact that she has a 20 year old daughter who is studying in Saint-Petersburg and will be staying there; therefore the assumption was that she would be returning to her daughter.
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Posted: Tuesday June 6th, 2006 05:16 am |
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TrevorM,
Just going by the age difference, it shows that you are a very reasoned man. In my experience most at your age would have gone for hot late twenty something RW. Certainly you and your RW will see many things in the same light... a very good plus. With your ability to get 6 months of relationship building, it is a better timeline than what Americans have (only 3 months).
The author of the article appears to have had a less than satisfactory experience with his first RW marriage. I wonder how or why it ended? I also wonder why he decided to try again?
Ronin
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Posted: Saturday June 10th, 2006 10:49 pm |
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ronin1 wrote: In my experience most at your age would have gone for hot late twenty something RW.
I did think about it, but at the end of the day I decided a late-20s RW would be too much of a risk so I decided to go for beauty, maturity and sophistication:- 
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Posted: Monday June 12th, 2006 06:52 am |
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TrevorM,
Wow!!! No one can complain about your taste. She's a knockout!
But a cowgirl for Russia... Now that is a twist.
Ronin
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