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Posted: Saturday February 18th, 2006 01:10 am |
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Russian Brides can be Unforgiving…
One of the endearing aspects of the Russian Bride species is their somewhat straight forward approach in communications. Coming from a culture of pragmatic people, RW prefer a no non-sense discourse (for the most part) in the beginning. You maybe taken by surprised at their responses. Often they will be direct and short.
You must answer all of their questions (best to have short concise answers) otherwise they will be suspicious that you are hiding something from them. On the other end, if you elaborate too much you will as well elicit their suspicions. If you get blind-sided by a sensitive question it is acceptable to say that you will answer that question later when you get to know her better. Always be truthful in your responses. Russian Brides have hair trigger BS meters built in. Any hint at scrambling for cover will be quickly picked up on their radar. If they feel that you are not for them, most will simply stop writing to you.
An e-mail relationship is very tenuous. Fight the natural urge to be possessive. The beginnings of any relationship must be stepped through carefully. Any possessive or demanding e-mail can end a relationship quickly.
RW may ask you what your typical day is like. This will tell them what kind of man you are. If you give them a dry accounting of daily events, this will appeal to some RW. If you give a passionate colorful description of what your day would be like with a gorgeous RW by your side, that would appeal to almost all RW. Just as you are asking them probing questions, so are they. Whatever you do, don’t take this question as an invitation to write your daily events to them everyday.
There are typical boundaries that one must follow. Letters should follow an orderly predictable pattern of gradually increasing closeness and correspondingly probing questions. Use common sense in this matter. Some may want to blurt out ones entire life story in an e-mail. This is a big mistake. RW often will not digest more than a couple of paragraphs, especially if they have to translate it manually. Be sensitive to how the e-mails are processed on their end (slow, mis-translations, walking across the city to pick up, etc.). Also, just as RW want to maintain the mystery about them, so should you. You have a long rich past. Let your RW read that book in the life she will share with you.
Ronin
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Posted: Monday February 27th, 2006 01:21 am |
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Does this mean I shouldn't explain the protective order my Russian ex-wife got on me in my first letter? 
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Posted: Saturday May 6th, 2006 06:09 pm |
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Maxx,
How many RW will ask if you have a restraining order? How many RW know what a restraining order is? I doubt that this will come up in the natural course of conversation. Let sleeping dogs lie.
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Posted: Saturday May 6th, 2006 09:30 pm |
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Not that easy Ronin
People ask me all the time about why I just don't plunge right back in. Well here is one of the reasons why
http://www.khersongirls.com/marriagebrokerlaw.htm
The law also requires a U.S. gentleman who wishes to meet his future fiancee or spouse through an "International Marriage Broker" to first submit extensive personal background information to the broker agency. The broker must then share that information with a future lady fiancee or spouse who must consent before the couple can start a communication and relationship.
Tell me, what kind of chill would this add to attempt at first contact with a Russian woman? How would they understand issues of the need to get "primary evidence" to self petition one's self with an I-360 petition and thus circumvent a deporation order that would be issued 30 days after the divorce becomes final? Most Amercans including those with foreign wives do not know this stuff. I helped a guy get an expert witness to help explain to his DV court and his own attorney the ins and outs of this issue. It must have worked as I got this e-mail from him yesterday.
Dear Maxx,
After three long days of trial, I've been found "not guilty." The judge gave a detailed explanation at the end of her ruling, and she made it clear that she doesn't believe Sasha's story. She also dismissed the civil protection complaint. It's a more complete exoneration than I'd dared to hope for.
Thanks so much for your help and support. Now, I'm looking forward to getting on with living.
I hope all's well.
Best,
I got this letter below on Wednsday from another guy in the same circumstances as the guy above. I had been contacted by FOX news in Washington DC about doing a story about me and Elvira. I passed on that but forwarded them to this other guy who's Russian wife left her diary behind with her details of her diabolical plot. It makes for a good story. Well they had the local FOX station do the interview with excerpts of the diary and sent it to DC. It was aired about a month ago. Excellent. I have it to send to you Ron is you want it. I will need your address if so. Anyway his trial was coming up Tuesday and the local FOX station was doing a followup. Here is his letter.
Hello Elena G. & Dave E.
from Gary Oldenkamp
Elena & Dave my DV case has been dropped by the DA's office, I have
been putting allot of pressure on them through my lawyer. As of last
Thursday I told my lawyer to tell the DA's office if they drag me to court
they best be prepared to go the whole 9 yards, and that means that when the
evidence of the case proves me innocent and proves Elena guilty that I right
then and there want her arrested and I want her prosecuted by the State just
as they did to me, and to tell the DA I will make damn sure she does not get
re elected. The DA's office DID wanted to drop it but Elena and her
women's advocate did want to continue the case so the DA's office agreed to
continue. However last evening the local FOX station called me at home and
asked if my court case for next Tuesday was still on, I told them yes it
is, they asked me are you sure you wife is going to show up? I said I doubt
it but the DA's office says she will show up so I don't know for sure. Then
they asked me what time it was on Tuesday, I told them I don't know for sure
I will have to find out, I then told the gentleman from the local FOX
station why don't you just call the court house in Orange City in the
morning and find out for sure what time it is and if my wife is showing up
for sure, i would hate to see you drive a camera crew down here for
nothing. So I assume maybe they did and it maybe put the fear of God into
the DA's office when they heard that FOX would be there with camera's
running, you see the DA is running for re election and has had allot of bad
publicity as of late and I am sure they don't want anymore. Anyway my lawyer
called me this morning and the whole thing has been dropped and dismissed
except for who has to pay for the Russian translator back from when we had
the depositions, for which we will have a hearing before a judge as to
decide if i must pay it me or the county.
Thanks for all your help and advice.
Gary Oldenkamp
So Ron I have become an "expert" of sorts on this issue. Did I tell you National Geographic out of Washington DC called me about this subject as it being a portion of their 1 hour program on the MOB phenonmen? I was asked to be an advisor which agreeded to. Anyway my experience with men involved with Russian women especially if they are married to them is that this whole subject of false domestic abuse charges to get a Green Card is uncomfortable subject for them. Most tell me to put it behind me. But this is impossible due to the new IMBRA legislation. It would take a very understanding RW or a desperate one. After all I am already in the system and in USCIS files already with my ex. Heck, I was reminded of this recently by airport security when passing through passport control about something she put in there. It was only for the civil matter but IMBRA includes those also. Other than that I am spotless.
Maxx
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Posted: Tuesday April 10th, 2007 03:23 pm |
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ooh....*wince*Darn it. In an effort to save on the costs, I spent some time writing a 5 page missive. Carefully counting the spaces out of 20000, 713 were left after editing the original
Yes it coincidentally included highlights of those points mentioned here that are positive, showed responsibility, honesty, taking charge, practicality, know-how. I did filter through many and had a selection of around 15 or so, that I hoped to winnow through with some that I was holding off on, and for those that responded twice, I sent this behemoth.*wince*
Two already have come back saying thanks but no thanks- in a nice way though- they asked to be let go.
I was assuming that they, having similar preconceptions and in order to cut-through- bull might appreciate the sincerity and honesty. ah, yes, what was that word? assume..hmm I remember a joke....haha.
but.....one, one that I had thought surely, I will be looked over. Her photo's did not include displays of lingerie fashion like some of the others but rather simple, with country-side background. She said, thanks for the honesty, then a bit about herself and family, then queried as mentioned here- work and home- and salutated with a happy easter. I was brief. She is 23.
I spent an additional 400 for 100 letter translating opportunities. I plan to save these as much as possible. The 3.5-4k expense for some of the tours they offer is steep for an all at once expense for me, but the package looks good. How do I express a longer email campaign to the RW while feeling out her views on practicality and thriftiness?
I have also spent some on a digital camera, but i was planning that anyways to load photo's. Thanks for the tips on photo's, a flattering mise-en-scene with me shaving would not do *blush* I was thinking, hey if they are in lingerie, surely they would want a manly version without the brashness of the speedo? Old spice anyone?- reverse culture shock.
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Posted: Wednesday April 11th, 2007 06:06 am |
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mahding,
Your quote:
How do I express a longer email campaign to the RW while feeling out her views on practicality and thriftiness?
A successful email campaign lends itself well to good fishing strategies. You can start off with the basics, but must continually increase the interest in the letters, else the RW dropout rate will accelerate. You have to understand their motivation to move in the particular direction that interests them. Some want to get married, some want to see the world, some want a sponsor, some want children and they all want to do this with the least amount of time and effort (i.e. number of e-mails, number of visits, least amount of lead time from first email to visit, etc.). You have to appeal to what they want and give them just enough to stay interested. Regardless of what you do, you will have less RW to talk to as time passes. Many RW will throwing in the towel even for the man that has everything after 6 months of correspondence. They know the value of the "bird in the hand..." As such they will move onto the less promising WM #2 that will be arriving shortly for a visit. Timing can be everything, or in other words, " The early bird gets the worm."
Ronin
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